tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post1046618734553461727..comments2023-09-22T00:30:27.932-07:00Comments on Cigan's Random Thoughts: Applying a Proprietary Paradigm to an Open SystemVictor J Kinzerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16454021777819560481noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-52801140933436532492008-11-11T09:35:00.000-08:002008-11-11T09:35:00.000-08:00Great work.Great work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-83770412085326042012007-12-15T06:30:00.000-08:002007-12-15T06:30:00.000-08:00I think the most important problem that linux comm...I think the most important problem that linux community must solve is the lack of standardization in linux. it is very hard to support a platform that is not standardized. for e.g. look at firefox web browser. it is one of the most successful open-source project. it is well supported by almost all major web-sites because it is standardized. if you use firefox under windows then you can get the suhailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01241299607164129088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-87223178415473591262007-12-14T13:51:00.000-08:002007-12-14T13:51:00.000-08:00Well, you are totally right about Ubuntu. I highly...Well, you are totally right about Ubuntu. I highly praise it for the work they have done in providing the convenient way of setting up the proprietary drivers, they've done some huge and splendid work on that (though obviously not enough for every single user to be satisfied), but some other things about that distribution feel like lack of sense to me. Those can, I understand, look like benefits Evgeny "nekr0z" Kuznetsovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770626484326914738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-73168231949746905672007-12-14T11:52:00.000-08:002007-12-14T11:52:00.000-08:00Absolutely. :)Personally, I'm a member of the "scr...Absolutely. :)<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm a member of the "screw adoption let's make it right" crowd. It's an opinion I've taken knocks over because I believe popularity doesn't really help (the number of unclosed bugs that move from one release to the next on Ubuntu increases with it's userbase).<BR/><BR/>Ubuntu's goal to dethrown Microsoft is irrelevant to me but you bring up some good points andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-53561641793374701722007-12-14T11:22:00.000-08:002007-12-14T11:22:00.000-08:00You are absolutely right, Kevin, speaking about th...You are absolutely right, Kevin, speaking about the software products that are... well, it's even unfair to call them "products", is it, since they are not meant to be for end-users (though if an end-user can make use of this piece of software, he is absolutely welcome to, and that was the very paradigm that has put FOSS to where it is now). But what provoked the post being discussed were KDE andEvgeny "nekr0z" Kuznetsovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770626484326914738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-67307882251202091302007-12-14T10:49:00.000-08:002007-12-14T10:49:00.000-08:00@evgenyI certainly understand that point - to say ...@evgeny<BR/><BR/>I certainly understand that point - to say users don't expect production ready releases is absurd. :) However, there's an oft-repeated, seldom understood difference between the proprietary world and the Free Software world. <BR/><BR/>Free software is, more often than not, written to "scrath the author's itch" so to speak. For a free software developer software is "production Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-29760367649488402582007-12-14T09:10:00.000-08:002007-12-14T09:10:00.000-08:00And I should say Kevin has an important and true p...And I should say Kevin has an important and true point in that. But if we get this point ad absurdum, the versioning is no longer needed at all. One could easily abandon the x.yy.zzz system in favour of YYYY-MM-DD type versioning, as they do in CVS in this case...<BR/><BR/>But the good old x.yy.zzz system is still in heavy use, and the reason is we should have some milestones, some releases, thatEvgeny "nekr0z" Kuznetsovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770626484326914738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-85480714239306391772007-12-14T08:34:00.000-08:002007-12-14T08:34:00.000-08:00I certainly can't help but think the problem isn't...I certainly can't help but think the problem isn't inherent to versioning schemes but the users themselves.<BR/><BR/>I see a TON of valid points in your arguement, and I actually agree with most of them.<BR/><BR/>I disagree, however, that we need a new versioning scheme. Users, from Free Software and proprietary software worlds alike, need to get off the "bigger is better" wagon.<BR/><BR/>There'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-43492750620257419582007-12-14T07:20:00.000-08:002007-12-14T07:20:00.000-08:00I do agree about this release unreadiness, as well...I do agree about this release unreadiness, as well as about regression issues that definitely should not hit release anyway. I even have an example myself, the famous bug that denied the users with Japanese, Finnish, Russian and some more locales running the restricted drivers' manager in Gutsy. The workaround is really simple and the bug is already fixed in updates, but nevertheless the broken Evgeny "nekr0z" Kuznetsovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770626484326914738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-67641459038030911212007-12-14T06:05:00.000-08:002007-12-14T06:05:00.000-08:00Thank you for your well expressed response. I am ...Thank you for your well expressed response. I am all about good debate and I really want people to disagree with me the way you have (and the way the one response on linuxtoday.com has). What I dislike is flames with no thought behind them.<BR/><BR/>I totally agree with you on the hardware scenario you express. Here is the "hardware support" issues I have problems with.<BR/><BR/>I have a Victor J Kinzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16454021777819560481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22846723.post-79263969158320205342007-12-13T16:54:00.000-08:002007-12-13T16:54:00.000-08:00You certainly have a valuable point there, Victor....You certainly have a valuable point there, Victor. But I can't agree completely, and I'll try to state my reasons, if you don't mind.<BR/><BR/>As for the billions of dollars that could be spent on marketing to the benefit of FOSS products: even if the companies like Canonical or Red Hat do have that huge sums to spend, which I doubt, they would, in my personal opinion, do much more for us users Evgeny "nekr0z" Kuznetsovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770626484326914738noreply@blogger.com